Virginia House of Delegates 2005 Elections

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Thursday, June 30, 2005

One NOT gone, Two NOTS to come?

Our friend Not Robert Roberts seems to have fallen off the edge of the blogosphere. Where are you NRR?

We are very sad about this development. :(

But this is your chance to be an anonymous web star!

As we see it both political parties in Virginia have two factions. "Conservatives" and "Moderates" among Republicans. Or to be less flattering, one group that Barnie Day would call "Flat Earthers" and another Phil Rodokanakis would call "RINOs". Among Democrats it's the younger "Liberal" group and the older more "Moderate" group. With Democrats it's much more regionally based with the "Liberals" in cities and the Moderate establishment elsewhere.

Well, the Moderate GOP faction has been well represented by "Not Jim Gilmore" and the younger "Liberal" wing of the Democrats has been well represented by "Not Brian Moran".

We need a blogger to fill the job of blogging for the "Conservative" wing of the GOP and the "Establishment" wing of the Democrats.

You may take whatever name you choose, but here are our two suggestions.

"Conservative GOP"- "Not John Chichester".

Chichester would be an obvious choice for the conservatives who feel that "RINO's" are no better than having a Democrat elected.

"Establishment Dems- "Not Ken Cuccinelli"

Often this wing of the party defines itself by what it is not, rather than what it is. What better name than "Not Ken Cuccinelli"!

Anyone interested? Please email me at


At 8:59 PM, Blogger Virginia Centrist said...

Dude. I'm a young person and I'm moderate. So are most of my friends. There's a reason why they call them "paleo-liberals"...

Look at NOVA. look how old byrne is. Now look at steve shannon and Chap. Hmmmmm.

At 9:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NoVA is Englin Country. Chap is a loser. Steve will be in November.

At 9:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a young, liberal Democrat, I'd like to take issue -- I think "Not Brian Moran" seems to be much more in line with the "moderate" wing of the Democratic Party" -- bashing the party for not being moderate enough. Can we have a REAL progressive?

At 9:22 PM, Blogger Not Larry Sabato said...

Nominate one and go ahead. I have to admit, I am a little less familiar with internal Dem politics than internal GOP politics.

At 9:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NLS: Let me explain them to you.

There's a group of "true believers" that has decided the country (and especially the red states) crave repackaged ultra liberal policy/rhetoric/candidates. They're convinced this is true. They like to call them "Democrats who stand up for what they believe in." They've deluded themselves into believing that the country is craving a "stark choice" between the two parties.

Then you have "Republican-lite". These are a mix of liberal pragmatists and moderate voters who make up the segment of the Democratic Party that has a clue. They want to nominate middle of the road candidates for office because they see the country as tilting slightly towards the right. They realize that running liberal candidates in conservative areas is dumb.

The ultra-liberals refuse to support moderates and some of them voted Green in '00.

At 10:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NLS - I have enjoyed your site, analysis, and election coverage since I discovered this blog. When others have been critical, I have stood with you. I really think that you do an excellent job. However, I have to say that I think that you are over-simplifying when you attempt to divide the political parties in this state into four groups. Personally, I feel that it is much more complex than this. Personally, I am a Republican, so I cannot speak as much for the Democratic Party, but I can say that I know many in my party (myself included) who are conservative on many issues, while more moderate on others. Describing me as either a "conservative" or as a "moderate", I believe, would only create a stereotype image that does not necessarily reflect my actual political beliefs. If I were asked to write one of the Republican columns, I cannot honestly say which one I would write. Personally, I don't much care for either Chichester or Gilmore, and believe that I fall somewhere in the middle of these two, which is a viewpoint that I fear would be lost by only having viewpoints expressed from the two extreme ends of the GOP. In short, I think that it is inaccurate and unfair to lump all Republicans (or Democrats, for that matter) into two categories, because I believe reality to be much more complex than that. This is just my two cents, and thank you for the chance to express my opinion.

At 10:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can'tt keep track of who all these "Nots" are supposed to represent. I think it is the opposite of their "Not" name but the explanations of who these people are supposed to be do not match up with the explanation of the "Not" names.

For example "Not Brian Moran" was supposed to be a Democratic Delegate and "Not Jim Gilmore" was supposed tobe a Republican Delegate" - now "Not Ken Cuccinelli" that you are looking for is supposed to be a Democrat?

Can you find a simpler way to do this?

I can't even decide if these folks are really delegates. In fact I don't think they are but some folks do. I guess you could call it a "toss-up."

That way we can all be winners.

At 10:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. This "not" crap is becoming ridiculous.

2. Brian Moran does NOT represent the liberal wing of anything.

3. While I wouldn't go as far as to say that NoVa is "Englin country" (calm down, kids), I am definitely down with the sentiments of Anon 9:07 there. The way things are going, this is no time for ass-kissers in bow ties who find new value in Lee-Jackson Day and the politics of the Byrd Machine.

4. You're damn right there's a divide, but I don't think you have learned how to identify it yet.

At 10:40 PM, Blogger not paul goldman said...

9:52 Anon-Amen

At 11:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NLS - I unfortunately have to agree. Like in all parties there is not one monolithic wing (as you say) and you are are having quite a bit of trouble defining the Democratic Party divide.

I second thoughts of the following anonymous bloggers in this diary: anon: 9:58, 10:17, not Paul Goldman and even Virginia Centrist for pointing out that the Democrats are not split with "young liberals" and "older moderates" as you say.

NLS - Thank you for playing "Democratic Party Jeopardy," you have won some wonderful parting gifts.

At 11:33 PM, Blogger Not Larry Sabato said...

OK, tell me how to rephrase and I will. Yes, it is not phrased correctly, I agree.

At 11:34 PM, Blogger Not Larry Sabato said...

10:08 p.m. anonymous- Thank you very much. If you ever want to write a column for our site you can be a "Not" whoever you want! Your message is very thoughful and we appreciate that.

At 1:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NLS (Ben, Mike, whoever), pleeeease delete these comments that are not about the thread.

At 8:12 AM, Blogger Not Larry Sabato said...

Done. So who wants to be the next NOT? I'm not limiting this to elected officials- if you have a Point of View and can back it up- send something in.

At 8:21 AM, Blogger Virginia Centrist said...

NLS: This is a pretty good idea. Since you've got like 3 months to kill before anything happens in any of these races, it's not a bad idea to engage the readers a bit (so you don't lose track of them).

At 8:33 AM, Blogger Not Larry Sabato said...

Thanks. That's 50% of why I am doing it. The other 50% is I like getting pictures and writing NOT on them.


At 3:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's pretty lame NLS.

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Big waste of time.

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